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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2015.05.13 13:00:00 -
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As an assault, it irks me that in order to fix logis CCP had to nerf another role. If logi speed was poor why not just increase it and leave assault speeds alone, let the data flow in on logi survivability and player feedback, and then decide if a nerf to assault movement speed is needed.
These buff + nerf combos make me very nervous and go against Rattati's stated goal of "data driven balancing".
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2015.05.13 13:46:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Is it acceptable that 300-400HP speedy stealth suits are moving at more-or-less the same speed as 600-800HP slayer suits? In the case of speed-tanked MN and GA Assaults, even slower? Since they perform different roles, yes, I would say it is acceptable that they move at the speeds they do.
Adipem Nothi wrote:I suspect that Rattati agrees that Assault HP/Speed stats are out-of-balance with those of Scouts. Increasing scout speed would likely detrimentally impact hit detection (see Chromosome). Narrowing the HP gap without upset Assault v Heavy balance. What other options does he have but to lower Assault speed? I see your points, believe me. You have to acknowledge that the idea of a simultaneous buff AND nerf, which is what switching logi and assault speeds amounts to, seems foolhardy. Remember when CCP nerfed AV while buffing vehicles back in Uprising 1.7*? I don't want to see a repeat of that.
*: I believe it was 1.7. If I'm off please correct me.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2015.05.13 13:55:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Did you forget that increasing the speed of suits worsens the hit detection? The whole reason Scouts were reduced was to keep them within usable range. I didn't forget that. I was under the impression that CCP was considering giving logis increased walk/sprint speeds,but I'm pretty sure they aren't going to give them faster-than-scouts-with-kincat speeds. At those levels you can indeed break hit detection, but since we aren't considering those speeds that is not a concern.
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Posted - 2015.05.13 15:22:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:You're absolutely correct that nerfing one side of the equation while buffing the other has caused problems in the past, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it always will. The new team seems to be a 'bit more in-touch than the old. Admittedly Rattati doesn't seem to be as much of a whack-job as the prior management. He has no idea how to price vanity items, but thankfully that does not cause problems with balancing 
Adipem Nothi wrote:But back to the point, where high-speed and high-hp are simultaneously maximized, we consistently find OP/FoTM. No two factors affect survivability by greater degree, and I think it a good (and intuitive) design goal for there to be a tradeoff between the two. If there are sound arguments to be made to the contrary, I'd very much like to hear them. I would like to suggest my own twist on this logi movement increase + assault movement decrease... allow assaults to keep our sprint speeds. Assaults storm the point. That's our job: push the objective, fight, and subsequently die. We need that sprint speed to rush forward. Our walk/strafe can be nerfed if that absolutely has to be done, but leave sprint intact.
Logis get a buff while the assault role's purpose is preserved.
Adipem Nothi wrote:Jokes: If it is an absolute no-no to touch both sides of the equation, one might suggest keeping Logi speed where it is and dropping Assault speed to a value somewhere below. (jokes!) You think you're cute, don't you?
Adipem Nothi wrote:PS: Sincerely excited to hear that you're considering a run for CPM2; your posts over the years have been tempered, well-thought and/or hilarious. You have my vote and support should you opt to run. o7 I appreciate the vote of confidence. I am in the process of considering the CPM's effects on my real life schedule. If all looks good, I will absolutely run for CPM2 
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